App Academy

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Type of school:
  • In-Class
Total Cost:
18% of your starting salary
Deposit:
$3,000
Focus:
  • Ruby on Rails
Length:
12 weeks
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Total 3 reviews

This program is the real deal. Coming into the experience I had limited coding knowledge and uncertain job prospects. In twelve weeks I gained more useable skills than over the entirety of my undergraduate career. App Academy assumes you are already a well-rounded person coming in (their selection process makes sure of it), so they don't waste time on anything other than teaching you what you need to know to get a specific type of in-demand job. My classmates and teachers were inspiring and part of a positive learning environment. As a result of the program I have already gotten an exciting job offer with a queue of interviews. If you're passionate about getting into coding professionally definitely apply! Показать полностью…

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FelixTheCat
6 days ago

The impression I and my cohort-mates got was that there's a world of difference between the SF and NYC branches. The SF has all the founders, all the energy, and all the expertise. The NYC branch has a set of (very) unpolished tutorials written by Ned, the Rails guru at in SF (who we never met or interacted with).

In my cohort, the instructors seemed to completely checked out / phoning it in, and their inexperience was palpable (to be fair, perhaps they were just in over their heads). By the end of the program much of our nights were spent criticizing the program's management and wondering if we were being scammed.

In hindsight, all this is written into its business model. Most of us found AA appealing because we thought their incentives would be aligned with ours, but that's not necessarily so. If you have instructors who are unscrupulous or lazy or in over their heads (or, to be charitable, overworked and underpaid), it'd be pretty easy to just coast and let AA collect its cut when students get hired, which they will, because they have to eat and will do what it takes.

Which means you don't necessarily need to put as much effort into preparing them as you might if they weren't already on the hook. Even with good instructors, I'd wager that in the long run any organization would figure this out and tend toward that low-effort equilibrium.

And of course, students will generally keep quiet about all this because it's in their own interest that the school be seen to have a good reputation.

For me, AA is a case study in how easily education can turn into a Ponzi scheme.

Speaking of which, wasn't AA started by a pair of recent Dev Bootcamp grads? Hmm…
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FelixTheCat
6 days ago

To add some more concrete detail to my previous post: 1) The curriculum is fairly strong in its design but gets weaker as the course progresses, by the end of the program it descends into piles links to external resources. 2a) The signal-to-noise ratio also degrades over time. It's like they got to the halfway point, started losing motivation, and then figured out they could appeal to Agile methodology as an excuse for why the remaining curriculum was a half-finished mess. 2b) Students are enlisted in the business of error-checking the curriculum (oh but it'll help teach you Git! Right. And laboring under erroneous instructions for a while helps build character...). 3) Algorithms and data structures weren't covered at all except for some links and a few sample problems at the end of the program. This was a serious stumbling block for me during initial interviews, but of course I learned it...among other reasons, because I have to feed myself, no thanks to AA (see the broader problem there?) 4) At least in my cohort, the instructors were extremely inexperienced 5) BUT: The biggest added value of AA was the other students. It's really great pairing with people and you do feel like you're learning fast. (However, Meetups offer this for free, services like AirPair for much less than 18% of your salary. Most of what you're paying for in a dev bootcamp is the curriculum and guidance from instructors.) Показать полностью…

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